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Post by dthomp34 on Apr 11, 2006 23:14:47 GMT -5
It would be good for the league and trade committee in general if you both just post your thoughts on why this deal isn't as terrible as both me and Atlanta find it, either here or in the trade post. Help us out with your inner thoughts.
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Post by Atlanta on Apr 11, 2006 23:15:43 GMT -5
It would be good for the league and trade committee in general if you both just post your thoughts on why this deal isn't as terrible as both me and Atlanta find it, either here or in the trade post. Help us out with your inner thoughts. This is all im saying.. i agree with this post
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Post by dthomp34 on Apr 11, 2006 23:17:15 GMT -5
And not even so much your reasoning Joe, more less Torontos. Because honestly if I just went 7-3 I wouldn't be worried about shipping out my star PG for bench pieces. I can see where you like the deal, it just doesn't seem sane or balanced in my eyes.
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Post by bigjoe on Apr 11, 2006 23:18:41 GMT -5
I was talking to John about it and Pete must have been there with him because he responded to something that I already said. I dont' feel any need to explain my reasons again on the board because I think it has been done in the trade thread. I will say this, the Trade committee was created with the intention of stopping new gms from getting hosed by us veterans. Seer has been around since the beginning of this league and I have a decent track record over the past few years. We obviously both have plans for our team which this trade fits for us both or neither of us would have done it. I know JOhn has even said before that gms with a proven track record should be allowed to run their team the way they see fit. I just don't see this as a good thing for the league when you have two extremely stable gms trade being questioned.
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Post by dthomp34 on Apr 11, 2006 23:20:10 GMT -5
When the trade seems this one sided, it does need to be questioned. Nothing personal Joe, I'd be looking into this even if it was John in your spot.
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Post by bigjoe on Apr 11, 2006 23:25:31 GMT -5
what are some of the reasons that he would do it. Number one he has no center whatsover, we all know that playing Mcdyess and his C+ rebounding their will never work long term. 2. Polyince while not a great player is a solid 3rd big man. He is a good defender and rebounder who is useful because he can play both the 4 and 5 positions. 3. Dee Brown while not having the best contract in the world does make about half as much as Mook does right now and will make 12 million dollars less (a max player) in year 3. Yes Mookie is the better player but for half price Dee is pretty good and averagin 9.3 apg btw and only 2tpg. 4th and final reason is Mookies age and contract. No one is denying that he is a very good pg. The fact is that he is 33 years old, making 16 million dollars and signed to a 54 million dollar deal in which he will be making 20 million dollars as a 36 year old.
Now here is my main thing -- is this trade the best in the world? no but either is 99 percent of the trades in this league. The Trade Committee never has been set up to veto trades unless they involved newbie gms or were blatantly awful and threatened the integrity of the league. Neither of those things apply here and I think vetoing this trade sets a dangerous precident for this league.
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Post by bigjoe on Apr 11, 2006 23:26:16 GMT -5
well there you go prezz, you got me to post my ideas:)
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Post by dthomp34 on Apr 11, 2006 23:29:36 GMT -5
Yes but you forget to point out that for Toronto, keeping Mookie gives them a shot at a home court playoff series. This deal makes them lucky to be a 7 seed in a very weak east.
You'll know tomorrow about this deal. I just want to talk to Pete in person and hear what any of the committee members had to say.
The trade committee is set up to stop any bad seeming trade. My deal that got shot down two seasons ago to get Ilgauskas back wasn't anywhere near this one sided and got shot down by the committee, or pretty much John.
Like I said, you'll know tomorrow afternoon sometime.
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Post by JScott on Apr 11, 2006 23:31:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but your points about big men being rare, or that Toronto doesn't have a legit big man, I just don't see Olden being the answer. And definately not the type of player you deal the face of your franchise for. Mookie is an MVP candidate. Plain and simple.
If he talks to the Wolves he gets atleast Brad, or Davis or Loy who are all better players, and he can probably convince them to give up a player. I don't see Dee as another overpriced player. The Raptors would be better off trading for Phil Nesby or Mario Owens. Atleast they are cheap.
The Raptors should have gotten a pick in this deal, that was the major mistake. He just under valued the market on Mookie.
EDIT: Dave I don't remember your Z deal exactly, but I am sure there was more than meets the eye to that.
Either way, there is nothing holding this trade up. The Rockets are right, the committee isn't for one or two people to just be like "you should have gotten more" this is to stop blatent fuck ups. This trade isn't like that, I just wihs more people would see what they are giving up and ask for adequate talent/picks in return.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 11, 2006 23:32:21 GMT -5
Is Polynice really really bad?
Seems like everyone is saying so.
He wasn't terrrible when he was playing with me last season.
I just think the Raps probably could've found a better deal though...
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Post by Atlanta on Apr 11, 2006 23:33:02 GMT -5
See was that so hard Joe.. its Ok to speak your mind around here ya know.
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Post by JScott on Apr 11, 2006 23:33:45 GMT -5
Lakers, he went from A- def to B def in 1 season. He is virtually a 7-8 man at best.
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Post by bigjoe on Apr 11, 2006 23:34:19 GMT -5
I don't see how the raps and their current roster with Mcdyess a true pf and Gugliotta a true sf playing out of position as center and powerforward will lead the Raptors to a top 4 seed. But i guess i woulnd't have expected 4-9 for me either.
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Post by dthomp34 on Apr 11, 2006 23:35:02 GMT -5
No Olden isn't terrible, but Mookie is a top 5 PG in the league and the 3 guys he's getting would be lucky to be top 100 players in the league.
I agree with John, yes he could have gotten a much better deal, and sadly a 1st round pick probably would have made this not look so bad.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 11, 2006 23:35:33 GMT -5
Lakers, he went from A- def to B def in 1 season. He is virtually a 7-8 man at best. Yeah but I mean...would we be saying the same thing if his rebounding was B and his defense was A-? I just feel like people put too much emphasis on defense at times...sometimes it's nice to have players with better all around abilities.
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