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Post by Chicago on Oct 22, 2006 21:51:51 GMT -5
TMac did a pretty good job on Dirk in the playoff series a couple of years ago. Jeff is one of the best defensive minds, he would know how to match up against tough PFs despite being undersized at the position. Dirk was pretty soft a couple seasons ago.... if he plays like he did last season he'd eat T-Mac's lunch
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Post by Washington on Oct 22, 2006 22:56:32 GMT -5
Wow, that might just be the dumbest thing I've ever read. How is Yao not a good defender? For the past 3 years, he has SINGLE-HANDEDLY (Juwan Howard, Maurice Taylor, whoever our PF was SUCKED at help D) anchored one of THE BEST DEFENSES IN THE GAME. Sure he goes for charges on some plays, but you shouldn't judge a player based on a few plays per game you noticed. Yao's defense is strong. I guess you don't appreciate tough fought defensive games. Okay, that's your preference. Doesn't make them the "borringest" team. Personally, I enjoy it. Of course their season relies on Yao/TMac being healthy, every team relies on their superstar's healthy. Every team has health risks. As of right now, the Rockets are healthy, and unless anything happens- they will remain healthy. So yes, I am going to assume them as healthy. i dont appericate the lets use are offense as our defense, slow the game down and limit the possessions to try to win...... it makes for really bad basketball.... that old cavs/knicks style is very boring tv...... i guess we'll agree to disagree on yao's defense Once again, that's your opinion, BUT history has shown that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. With a player (big/slow) like Yao as one of your stars, a "Suns-style" offense wouldn't exactly fit the Rockets too well (he'd probably need oxygen after every play lol). You can disagree on Yao's defense, but he is a good defensive player and that is a FACT. The Rockets had a (according to 82games.com) defensive +/- of -3.3 with Yao on the floor (and his backup is one of the greatest defensive bigs of all time in Dikembe Mutombo). He has anchored one of the best post defenses in the game with Juwan Howard (quite possibly the worst defensive bigman in the game) as his weakside threat over the past 2 years. TMac did a pretty good job on Dirk in the playoff series a couple of years ago. Jeff is one of the best defensive minds, he would know how to match up against tough PFs despite being undersized at the position. Dirk was pretty soft a couple seasons ago.... if he plays like he did last season he'd eat T-Mac's lunch Dirk's stats 2 years ago was similar to his last year. He has stepped up big since Nash left. Either way, with a great defensive mind like Jeff Van Gundy, I'm not too worried about big-time players.
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Post by Utah on Oct 28, 2006 11:35:47 GMT -5
Jeff Van Gundy hasn't done crap in Houston and TMAC has never been a winner and never will. He doesn't make others better at all. He's like Dominique was, a great scorer but not a great winner. He doesn't have the "champion" gene that Magic, Larry and Michael have. Whatever it is TMAC is missing it.
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Post by Washington on Oct 28, 2006 17:05:44 GMT -5
Isn't that what they were saying about KG before he led his team to 60 wins and a conference finals berth?
Seriously, that is stupid talk.
Look at the teams TMac has been on: Raptors- he wasn't even the leader. AND THE SUPPORTING CAST TO HIM/VC SUCKED. Magic- SUPPORTING CAST MIGHT BE ONE OF THE WORST SUPPORTING CASTS EVER, YET THEY STILL SOMEHOW MADE THE PLAYOFFS (most of his years) Rockets- first year: Yao, TMac, AND NOTHING ELSE. second year: injuries.
TMac is 27 years old. Players generally reach their prime at around 30. Give him 3-5 years before making stupid assertions like that.
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Post by Portland on Oct 28, 2006 18:40:53 GMT -5
you're comparing tmac to kg? wow. i agree with miami, although he is good, he doesn't help anyone on his team get better. he's a shoot first look to pass sometime later kind of player, and that can only take a team so far
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Post by Washington on Oct 28, 2006 19:03:08 GMT -5
You obviously know nothing about TMac.
He is a scorer, true. BUT he is a good passer, and DOES get his teammates involved (he's just had shitty teammates throughout most of his career).
I don't think I've ever heard teammates/coaches complain about TMac in that sense.
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Post by Washington on Oct 28, 2006 19:05:26 GMT -5
I wasn't comparing TMac to KG. I understand that their games are different. One is a big, and one is a swing.
BUT I was just saying, that the same people who wrote KG off early are the same ones writing off TMac. They were saying that he is "not a winner" and wouldn't take a team past the first round, yet did when was given a sufficient supporting cast.
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Post by Chicago on Nov 27, 2006 4:15:30 GMT -5
I wasn't comparing TMac to KG. I understand that their games are different. One is a big, and one is a swing. BUT I was just saying, that the same people who wrote KG off early are the same ones writing off TMac. They were saying that he is "not a winner" and wouldn't take a team past the first round, yet did when was given a sufficient supporting cast. this is T-Mac's 10th season in da league.... and KG has never blown a 3-1 series lead(t-mac said its nice to be in the 2nd round after game 4 then went on to lose the next 3 games).... or blown a 2-0 lead after winning the first 2 games on the road..... T-Mac has only played in 25 Playoff Games in his career.... Kobe 126 games Duncan 118 games Rasheed Wallace 116 games Ben Wallace 93 games Billups 86 games Dirk 76 games JO 70 games Richard Jefferson 66 games Chris Webber 64 games Iverson 62 games Antoine Walker 60 games Peja 59 games K-Mart 58 games Shawn Marion 54 games Tim Thomas 53 games Dwyane Wade 50 games KG 47 games Ray Allen 37 games Pierce 37 games Baron Davis 35 games Vince Carter 30 games Artest 31 games Larry Hughes 27 games Cuttino Mobley 26 games Amare 21 games Antawn Jamison 21 games Arenas 16 games Redd 16 games Melo 14 games Bron 13 games Brand 12 games Pau Gasol 12 games Ben Gordon 12 games
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Post by Chicago on Nov 27, 2006 4:19:16 GMT -5
i think so far in the season... Melo has been the MVP
32.8ppg 4.9rpg 4.6apg 2.5spg 52FG% 88FT% last 10 games
Can Zach Randolph get Most Improved Player for the 2nd time in his Career?
i really wonder what Joe Dumars is thinking seeing Melo doing what hes doing.... Bosh putting up 20 and 12..... Wade being the Finals MVP and doing everything he can to keep the heat afloat with shaq out...... 29.9ppg 9.3apg 5.3rpg the last 7 games since shaq has been out is insane
that draft class might go down as the best draft ever.... 4 superstars in the top 5 picks
whats up with the Wizards being 4-9?
whats up wit da Nets losing 5 in a row?
and what happened to da Bulls bandwagon?
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Post by Washington on Nov 27, 2006 12:08:02 GMT -5
My big question is- HOW THE FUCK ARE THE JAZZ THIS GOOD? ARE THE JAZZ REALLY THIS GOOD?
Boozer has been putting up an MVP campaign (I know, that may sound stupid but he is putting up amazing stats on a great team) Sloan could win his first ever COY (which he DESERVES) Deron putting up an MIP campaign Fisher/Harpring both looking like legit 6MOY candidates Hell, even my boy Paul Millsap is looking like a potential ROY candidate!
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Post by Chicago on Nov 27, 2006 14:33:16 GMT -5
My big question is- HOW THE FUCK ARE THE JAZZ THIS GOOD? ARE THE JAZZ REALLY THIS GOOD? Boozer has been putting up an MVP campaign (I know, that may sound stupid but he is putting up amazing stats on a great team) Sloan could win his first ever COY (which he DESERVES) Deron putting up an MIP campaign Fisher/Harpring both looking like legit 6MOY candidates Hell, even my boy Paul Millsap is looking like a potential ROY candidate! the Jazz are a good team but they arent as good as their record but they will still make da playoffs sloan does deserve a COY but at the same time... Phil Jackson only has 1 COY
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Post by Duncanfan819 on Nov 27, 2006 20:30:08 GMT -5
Phil Jackson had MJ+Pippen and Shaq+Kobe his whole career. What did Sloan have that comes close to that? (Don't say Stockton and Malone and insult my intelligence).
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Post by Chicago on Nov 28, 2006 15:31:31 GMT -5
Phil Jackson had MJ+Pippen and Shaq+Kobe his whole career. What did Sloan have that comes close to that? (Don't say Stockton and Malone and insult my intelligence). who cares that he had Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe.... he has 9 rings..... i dont think hes every not made the playoffs.... and up intill the suns series i dont think hes ever been knocked out in the first round.... the bulls team the year jordan wasnt there still won like 55 games.... and he didnt have shaq last season either dont discredit Stockton and Malone... id take Jordan over both of them.... but id take both of them over Pippen karl malone is 2nd on the all time scoring list and 7th on the all time rebounding list and is one of if not the best PF's the league has seen john stockton is first on the all time stealing list, and assists by a mile.... and i dont see how he isnt a top 5 pg at the very least ALL TIME..... both coaches had 2 top 50 players in their primes.... and if it wasnt for da bulls winning 72 games that 1 season, phil wouldnt have a COY either so maybe Jerry Sloan needs to win 70 games to get one
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Post by Duncanfan819 on Nov 28, 2006 15:44:58 GMT -5
Phil Jackson had MJ+Pippen and Shaq+Kobe his whole career. What did Sloan have that comes close to that? (Don't say Stockton and Malone and insult my intelligence). who cares that he had Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe.... he has 9 rings..... i dont think hes every not made the playoffs.... and up intill the suns series i dont think hes ever been knocked out in the first round.... the bulls team the year jordan wasnt there still won like 55 games.... and he didnt have shaq last season either dont discredit Stockton and Malone... id take Jordan over both of them.... but id take both of them over Pippen karl malone is 2nd on the all time scoring list and 7th on the all time rebounding list and is one of if not the best PF's the league has seen john stockton is first on the all time stealing list, and assists by a mile.... and i dont see how he isnt a top 5 pg at the very least ALL TIME..... both coaches had 2 top 50 players in their primes.... and if it wasnt for da bulls winning 72 games that 1 season, phil wouldnt have a COY either so maybe Jerry Sloan needs to win 70 games to get one I give credit to PJ for getting 55 wins the year without MJ (with Pip putting up MVP #s). But, last year, his first year without 2 star players, his team was eliminated in the 1st round. It's not a coincidence. I know Stockton and Malone were great, but MJ+Pippen and Shaq+Kobe are the 2 most dominant duos of our time, and PJ had the chance to coach both. He's a good coach, but I don't feel inclined to give him shitloads of credit because of the teams he's had.
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Post by Chicago on Nov 28, 2006 21:36:54 GMT -5
who cares that he had Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe.... he has 9 rings..... i dont think hes every not made the playoffs.... and up intill the suns series i dont think hes ever been knocked out in the first round.... the bulls team the year jordan wasnt there still won like 55 games.... and he didnt have shaq last season either dont discredit Stockton and Malone... id take Jordan over both of them.... but id take both of them over Pippen karl malone is 2nd on the all time scoring list and 7th on the all time rebounding list and is one of if not the best PF's the league has seen john stockton is first on the all time stealing list, and assists by a mile.... and i dont see how he isnt a top 5 pg at the very least ALL TIME..... both coaches had 2 top 50 players in their primes.... and if it wasnt for da bulls winning 72 games that 1 season, phil wouldnt have a COY either so maybe Jerry Sloan needs to win 70 games to get one I give credit to PJ for getting 55 wins the year without MJ (with Pip putting up MVP #s). But, last year, his first year without 2 star players, his team was eliminated in the 1st round. It's not a coincidence. I know Stockton and Malone were great, but MJ+Pippen and Shaq+Kobe are the 2 most dominant duos of our time, and PJ had the chance to coach both. He's a good coach, but I don't feel inclined to give him shitloads of credit because of the teams he's had. well he deserves that credit.... mj+pippen duo did ummm not much before he got there... i remember people saying a scoring champ like jordan could never win a ring.... but phil got him to play team ball.... and the shaq+kobe duo got swepted out of the playoffs by the jazz twice and the spurs once i think... so swept 3 str8 times before Phil got there great talent is great to have.... but look at the past like 20 plus nba title teams and you'll notice most of them had great coaches.... Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Gregg Popavich, Larry Brown, Chuck Daly, etc...
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