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Post by Washington on Jun 1, 2007 14:45:37 GMT -5
It was a hypothetical question.
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Post by Jayborne23 on Jun 3, 2007 10:47:57 GMT -5
Bennice, here is a question I have for you. If the Lakers could trade Kobe and get someone who would immediately keep them in the playoffs and possibly go further than the 1st round (hypothetically), would you still miss Kobe? so trade the best player in the game and get better by trading for another player? dosnt make much sense. When your team is only 1 player, maybe you can get 3 good players for him an actually win something. Star power doesn't win you games without a team.
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Post by Cleveland on Jun 3, 2007 13:35:24 GMT -5
Even if the trade is gordon, dent and TT for kobe the lakers will not improve. Lakers would of had a better record if we didnt get fucked with injuries.
other than that what is there for kobe? Frye, Craw, Lee for kobe?
you cant get better by trading the best player in the game. You build around him.
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Post by Washington on Jun 3, 2007 14:16:34 GMT -5
Obviously they weren't doing too good a job "building around him." Even without injuries that team would've been a 50-win team at best.
Kobe is an amazing player, but he can't do it by himself, nobody can. Stupid managment (aka Jim Buss) was trying to re-build when they were already built.
If the Lakers were to trade Kobe for a nice package (perhaps one including a young player with the potential to be a star in this league. Perhaps get some draft picks, capspace), they would be a better team. Maybe not this year, but in the future for sure.
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Post by Cleveland on Jun 3, 2007 14:24:09 GMT -5
Or the management can start to do there job and build around kobe
looks like there is a good chance of JO being a Laker next year and we are also in talks with Denver about camby.
using our mle to get a pg out lineup next year could be MLE or Farmar/Kobe/Walton/JO/Camby
50 team at best? Lakers are still a very young team and at the half way poing last year we were on pace to win 56 games. Obviously we were playing extremely well through the 1st, then injuries just manhandled our team. Odom and Kwame missed half the season, Kobe missed about 1/5 of the season, Vlad missed over half, Luke missed almost a month, And turiaf missed some time. Other then Washington the lakers had the worst luck when it came to injuries
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Post by Washington on Jun 3, 2007 14:42:18 GMT -5
Kobe isn't pissed off b/c of "injury problems." He is pissed off because of a weak supporting cast which is definetly the case (that and the whole insider spewing bullshit stuff). Lakers had to rely on him scoring 50 PPG+ to win games at one point! They don't have a good PG, they don't have a dominating bigman, and they don't have a reliable second option. They have some good players alongside Kobe, sure, but they don't have the type of players you need to win a championship (they are NOWHERE NEAR contender status right now).
It is stupid moves such as Butler for Kwame, drafting a project in Bynum in the lottery then proclaiming him as untouchable (TURNING DOWN HIM FOR JASON KIDD!!!!!!! Smush Parker a starting in this league? ARE U SHITTING ME?!?!).
The Camby rumors I like. Makes sense for both teams. If they can get Jermaine as well, then they would be at contender status.
Smush Parker or Jordan Farmar starting at PG is a JOKE. They definetly need to sign somebody. If they can give up Bynum/Farmar for JKidd, they would be SET (then again Jim Buss is the dumbass who called Bynum untouchable).
Lakers still have ways to go in order to give Kobe the supporting cast he deserves (a dominating bigman, a GOOD PG, and a legit 2nd option. Need to add some depth as well). Kobe finally woke those dumbfux in the front office up with the trade demand. If they keep him, they better give him a great cast before his contract is up. Else he could bolt.
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Post by Chicago on Jun 4, 2007 22:03:31 GMT -5
just about everyone in the Lakers front office hates Jim Buss....
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Post by Chicago on Jun 16, 2007 2:03:31 GMT -5
Source: Bryant tells Buss that he wants outIn a meeting in Spain, the Lakers star voices concerns to owner about team's direction. By Mike Bresnahan, Times Staff Writer 10:55 PM PDT, June 15, 2007 Jerry Buss met with his unhappy $88.6-million employee, Kobe Bryant, for a get-together Friday between owner and superstar in the somewhat surprising setting of Spain. They had spoken by phone two weeks ago, a few days after Bryant asked to be traded, but this was a longer, more emotional conversation. Buss wanted to appeal to the nine-time All-Star, reminding him that trades take time to develop and that winning remains the focus of the organization, but Bryant voiced concerns about the direction of the franchise and reiterated his demand to be traded, said a source with knowledge of the situation. "That's the message that came out of it," the source said. Team sources vehemently insisted there were no plans to trade Bryant, and they were still hopeful that a peaceful solution could be reached. Bryant and Buss are expected to resume their dialogue in the near future. Bryant's displeasure has grown steadily since the Lakers were eliminated by Phoenix last month in the first round of the playoffs. The Lakers are 121-125 since reaching the NBA Finals in 2004, not including their first-round exits the last two seasons. Last month, Bryant publicly requested that Jerry West return to the team's front office — an unlikely scenario — and urged General Manager Mitch Kupchak to make trades that would steer the team in a winning direction. "I'm still frustrated," Bryant said at the time. "I'm waiting for them to make some changes." The Lakers have contacted numerous teams, but there have not been any blockbuster deals yet — by them or by any other team in the league. Talks with the Indiana Pacers for six-time All-Star forward-center Jermaine O'Neal have stalled because the Lakers do not want to give up both Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum to get O'Neal. Trade talks around the league are expected to heat up as the June 28 draft approaches and could continue into the free-agent period that begins July 1. Bryant was vacationing in Spain and stopped by to see a practice session of his favorite soccer team, FC Barcelona, on Thursday. Buss had been in China since leaving the U.S. more than two weeks ago. He planned to travel to London before returning to Los Angeles, although it was unclear whether he went to Spain specifically to talk to Bryant. "What they talked about and what went on between Kobe and Dr. Buss is private and will remain between the two of them," Lakers spokesman John Black said. Bryant's agent, Rob Pelinka, did not return calls seeking comment. Bryant, who will be 29 in August, has four years left on his contract, but he can void it in two years. The two-time scoring champion, widely acknowledged as the game's most dynamic player, has the NBA's top-selling jersey and is a significant draw at Staples Center. The Lakers are very cognizant of his importance in driving ticket sales, as well as his effect on corporate sponsors. Buss, who signed off on Bryant's seven-year, $136.4-million contract in July 2004, released a statement two weeks ago in which he said, "We will continue to pursue every avenue possible to improve our team with him as the cornerstone." www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers16jun16,0,4935832.story?coll=la-home-sports
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Post by Chicago on Jun 16, 2007 19:30:42 GMT -5
Two Kobe Bryant trade scenarios
By Chad Ford ESPN.com
More than two weeks after Kobe Bryant made his trade request to the Lakers, he still wants out, says his agent.
"Kobe's position remains unchanged," Bryant's agent Rob Pelinka told ESPN.com on Friday. "Kobe would like to be moved."
In fact, Kobe met with owner Jerry Buss on Friday and once again voiced his desire to be traded.
The question remains, will the Lakers move him? The head says no. But the scuttlebutt suggests otherwise. A number of GMs and agents around the league seem convinced that he's going to be traded.
The Lakers had strong interest in trading for Jermaine O'Neal before Kobe's trade request. But that interest has cooled since then. Why? The Lakers have been saying that the Pacers' asking price (Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum and the No. 19 pick) is too high. But maybe it's because there's no need to bring in a big-money player like O'Neal and gut the team if Kobe isn't going to be around.
From what I can gather, the Lakers would have two conditions to meet in any Kobe Bryant trade:
1. They want to send him to the Eastern Conference. 2. They need a star player back in return.
The Eastern Conference preference would potentially rule out such places as Phoenix and Golden State, both of which have significant assets and interest.
And, of course, the lack of available stars would rule out just about every team in the East, including the Knicks.
Some East teams lack the star power to bid directly for Bryant. Others have stars that aren't going anywhere.
For instance, the Cavs and Heat have superstars LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, but both are untouchable. Ditto, apparently, for Dwight Howard in Orlando.
Chicago, from what I hear, is Bryant's first preference, and he might be willing to waive his no-trade clause to play there. While the Bulls have lots of assets, such as Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and the No. 9 pick in the draft, that package lacks true star power.
Based on my conversations with various sources around the league, I see two intriguing possibilities if the Lakers are looking for an Eastern Conference star -- the Wizards' Gilbert Arenas and the Celtics' Paul Pierce.
Scenario 1
Arenas isn't Kobe, in talent or stardom. But he is from Los Angeles, he's more than three years younger, he has great magnetism and, like Bryant, he can fill the seats.
With Arenas saying he'll opt out of his contract with Washington next summer, the Wizards might want to start looking at ways to move him now before running the risk of losing him for nothing.
Here's one potential trade, with Bryant headed to Chicago and Arenas to L.A.
The Bulls would send Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and P.J. Brown (sign-and-trade) to Washington, and the No. 9 pick to L.A.
The Lakers would send Bryant to Chicago.
The Wizards would send Arenas and Etan Thomas to L.A.
Under that scenario, which couldn't be completed until mid-July, the Lakers would get a star player (Arenas) and a high draft pick (No. 9) which, I'm told, they'd use to get Yi Jianlian if he's still on the board.
The Bulls would be paying a very high price for Kobe -- two high lottery picks and this year's No. 9. But the Bulls would keep Deng, something they desperately want to do. On the other hand, they still wouldn't have a low-post scorer.
The Wizards would avoid having to break the bank for Arenas next summer, would bring in two very talented young players and would get some serious cap relief down the road.
Scenario 2
A similar trade could work if the Lakers were willing to substitute Boston and Paul Pierce. While Pierce is almost 30 years old, I'm told the Lakers like him -- and he's from L.A. too.
The Bulls would send Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and P.J. Brown (sign-and-trade) to Boston, and the No. 9 pick to L.A.
The Lakers would send Bryant to Chicago.
The Celtics would send Pierce to L.A.
That deal would make the Celtics even younger than they already are, but it would also give them plenty of assets to continue making deals.
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Post by Chicago on Jun 17, 2007 13:52:12 GMT -5
Lee, Frye, Crawford On The Table For Kobe? 17th June, 2007 - 11:15 am New York Post - Isiah Thomas has said he will keep Eddy Curry out of any offer the Knicks make to acquire Kobe Bryant.
But Madison Square Garden brass would make David Lee, Channing Frye and Jamal Crawford available in a deal to bring Bryant to New York.
Bryant's no-trade clause would allow him to dictate where he is dealt if the Lakers accommodate their disgruntled superstar's trade demand.
Marbury: Kobe In New York Would Help NBA 17th June, 2007 - 10:12 am
New York Post - Stephon Marbury said on Saturday that he would welcome a trade for Kobe Bryant.
"Hey, I'm not opposed to it," Marbury said with a laugh. "I want to be clear-cut. I'm not opposed to it."
He believes having Bryant in New York would be beneficial to the NBA.
"New York would be dynamite for [Kobe]," Marbury said. "This would be someplace where basketball would become the biggest and highest of the high for the NBA. It will help the game in a tremendous way because that would give New York that solidification . . . where you look at the Knicks as, oh, man, that's the team again. There's still a search for that team that people want to follow."
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Post by Toronto on Jun 17, 2007 14:20:51 GMT -5
As a Knick fan, you know i would love it, but im still iffy if they can pull it off. The only i can see the Knicks really getting Kobe is if Kobe himself has alot to do with it.
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Post by Chicago on Jun 17, 2007 15:18:37 GMT -5
As a Knick fan, you know i would love it, but im still iffy if they can pull it off. The only i can see the Knicks really getting Kobe is if Kobe himself has alot to do with it. if the rumors are true... Kobe has narrowed the field down to 3 teams.... Knicks, Bulls and Suns the Lakers arent trading him to phoenix for obvious reasons so id say the Knicks have a 40% chance to get him... the Bulls 45%.... the Suns 0%.... and he stays in LA another season at 15% unlike Iverson and Artest before him, Kobe has a no trade clause so he holds the cards on the trade
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Post by Toronto on Jun 17, 2007 15:35:19 GMT -5
As a Knick fan, you know i would love it, but im still iffy if they can pull it off. The only i can see the Knicks really getting Kobe is if Kobe himself has alot to do with it. if the rumors are true... Kobe has narrowed the field down to 3 teams.... Knicks, Bulls and Suns the Lakers arent trading him to phoenix for obvious reasons so id say the Knicks have a 40% chance to get him... the Bulls 45%.... the Suns 0%.... and he stays in LA another season at 15% unlike Iverson and Artest before him, Kobe has a no trade clause so he holds the cards on the trade That's what im hoping, im pretty sure if he ends up with the Knicks it's cause of kobe which would be a tremendous thing
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Post by Chicago on Jun 17, 2007 16:10:27 GMT -5
why is the Media making a big deal about this thing now, Kobe orginally posted this on May 30th or 31st.... but for some reason the site KB24.com just keeps updating the date every few days
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Post by Cleveland on Jun 17, 2007 18:00:20 GMT -5
ive been talking about this non stop so i dont have much to say other than....we will see how things turn out, and we should see before the draft if kboe is going to be a laker or not.
please kobe dont go!!!
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